b"Interview: | Engineer InnovationS: How are autonomous vehiclesS: Besides safety, what other areasworking together, the progress will be tested? need attention? much faster on the technology side Van den Oetelaar: We have beenJoe Barkai: We need more conversationand much slower in the adoption side. assigned to become the simulationabout interoperability of systems andI want to change the balance to drive partner of a big test track in the Unitedbusiness models. For example, there'sadoption on the usage side faster so States, ACM. It is the biggest test tracknot enough conversation about one citythat we see incremental value and globally where you can validatemunicipality that develops a smartincremental progress even before we interconnectivity and interoperabilityinfrastructure and another thathave Level 5 automation.between vehicles. It is not just thedevelops smart energy management vehicle on its own: the question is howand how they work together. On theS: What comes after autonomous do I (as a self-driving vehicle) get alongsame trajectory, we don't have enoughvehicles?with my peers who are on the roadinteroperability standards and theresVan den Oetelaar: If we look today at as well? no regulation saying you have to use ahow technology is being implemented specific standard. We're very early in theand applied, we are seeing that Autonomous vehicles will be releasedprocess.automotive is driving a lot of the on these types of test tracks. Weinnovation. At the same time, there are currently have relationships like thisS: Reality check: when will we seelots of use cases and industries that with companies and governments intrue autonomous vehicles on publichave similar needs and that can benefit the US, Europe and Asia. What we see isroads? from the same technology. Whether it is that there is a big willingness to shareBarkai: We are looking at ten or moreautonomous ships, whether it is AGVs information to get up to a level whereyears before we have safe fully(Automate Guided Vehicles) that run in we jointly can see and access what theautonomous vehicles that we canfactories that will drive a complete risk is to make sure that we have asummon anytime, anywhere and theyreformation of the factory concept, satisfying product with little to no will take us anywhere. But there arewhether it is anything that is airborne, safety risks.many opportunities until we get therelike drones or aircraftWe are seeing so it's not like we have to wait sevenlots of different areas where the S: How will autonomous vehicles passyears or ten years to enjoy the benefitstechnology that is being developed can industry regulations? of autonomous vehicles in semi-limitedbe duplicated and replicated. We feel Van den Oetelaar: Today if you bring alocations and applications.that this is something that is buzzing on vehicle to market, you have tothe market. As a Siemens company, this homologate your vehicle. It means it willA key role in providing value inis a good thing. Actually, it is great. It is have to comply with a number ofautonomous cars is not only thenot just about automotive; it is about different rules that in a lot of cases areautomated driving itself or thesociety as a whole. nstandard. There are some variations forautonomous navigation, it's about different countries. Once you have metproviding an ecosystem that allows you these regulations, your vehicle isto deliver a service. Until we have a released and it means that it functionsfully developed ecosystem of partners according to the legislation out there. Anything that goes beyond is the responsibility of the driver. So a lot of systems in your vehicle are not operating when you switch the key. You have to push the button. That means you as a driver are responsible for the function of the vehicle. This is not the case for automated vehicles. If we go for automated vehicles, we have to push a lot of buttons and this (functionality) is installed automatically. This drives the fact that we have to work on new legislation. It goes beyond the fact whether the steering wheel is round or its a joystick. I dont think that is the question anymore. The question is how can we make the actions or interactions with the rest of the traffichow can we make that safe and robust for all the useJoe Barkai, author and chairman SAEJan van den Oetelaar, CEO TASS International, cases out there.Connected Cars a Siemens Business23"